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13 Responses to “No, Really: Fuck Obama”

1. Grant Crowell Says:
   July 17th, 2008 at 8:30 pm

   Just curious Benjamin, who would you vote for President? Or is that a moot question?

2. Mao Now Sez Says:
   July 18th, 2008 at 2:59 pm

   Mao Now!!!

3. Rocks for Brains Says:
   July 18th, 2008 at 7:27 pm

   I’m voting for Grant Crowell. Why? On account of I can’t think of any better way to fuck this country up even worse than it already is.

   You’re my guy, Grant-baby!

4. Benjamin Says:
   July 19th, 2008 at 4:37 pm

   It’s a moot point, Grant. As I’ve said before, I wouldn’t bother putting down my Bourbon and walking across the room to vote for Obama if I was the sole deciding factor. I’ll vote for the lesser of evils, but after watching Obama talk about Israel, endorse FISA, and do his horseshit huckster routine on Iraq, I don’t consider him a lesser evil.

   And, of course, I’d never vote for McCain. 23 bombing campaigns in Vietnam makes him a war criminal in my book, not a hero.

5. hilda Says:
   July 19th, 2008 at 9:27 pm

   weird. today I realized that the person who is technically my boss is the offspring of a man who was way higher than the Trimbachs in the FBI, like right at the top, during some of the period W. Churchill writes about. All that does is make me less likely to ever talk about current events. But it was interesting that everything I could find so far suggests more moderate or good decisionmaking in areas that became historically significant than the recent FISA or homeland security developments. Online, I can’t find anything about him with Cointelpro or anything like this that I’m familiar with.

6. Rama Lama Fa-Fa-Fa Says:
   July 21st, 2008 at 8:41 am

   Who, exactly, are you talking about, Sybil?

   You don’t by any chance happen to work for the Visa Corp., do you?

7. hilda Says:
   July 21st, 2008 at 8:39 pm

   No.
   well, I don’t think the man was even a career FBI person, because much of what I can find online is on his career in business and a bunch of corporate boards and government advisory commissions after the 1970s period in the FBI.
   What I’m fascinated with reading about today is reading about the Trilateral commission and Council on Foreign relations, where their father was a member of both at one point. My boss does work with their father on a civic project, and those organizations are basically half of what is they’re thinking of when they refer to illuminati. The other half would be secret societies like skull at Bones.
   As far as I can discern though, many of the Council of Foreign Relations people are really getting tired of being in Iraq, and quite a bit of what they advocate would be squarely at Bill or Hillary Clinton’s political position.
   In contrast, I listened to both Limbaugh and Mark Levine on radio today, and they were saying that Barack Obama shouldn’t even be allowed to talk to al-Malaki or about the military, and we’re in a war against our enemies, and the NYTimes is unspeakably liberal. This conservative perspective piped at the working class makes it seem like the Hillary Clinton/Council Foreign Relations globalist position is ‘liberal’ and anything further is freakishly leftist.

8. Hilda Says:
   July 21st, 2008 at 10:31 pm

   Who runs Visa?

9. Rama Lama Fa-Fa-Fa Says:
   July 22nd, 2008 at 12:54 pm

   The security component for Visa Corp. is — or at least was until recently — headed by a really nasty piece of work named Richard Wallace Held, Hilda. Ward Churchill has been writing about the guy for 20 years now, and a whole lot of corroborating information came out around the Bari/Cherney civil suit in San Francisco a few years back. Here’s a few highlights.

   Richard W. Held was previously an FBI COINTELPRO ace, who made his bones in the frame-up of Los Angeles Black Panther leader Geronimo Pratt back in the early 1970s. Before that, he’d distributed a series of bogus cartoons in the name of the LA Panthers ridiculing Ron Karenga, head of the rival “US” organization. US members responded by killing a half-dozen Panthers. Held described this as a successful operation and recommended that similar tactics be employed by FBI offices around the country.

   Held’s also the guy who put out the bogus tips to an LA gossip columnist about the actress Jean Seaberg, a staunch Panther supporter, being pregnant by a Panther rather than her husband, the French novelist Romain Gary. Seaberg got so upset by the smear campaign that she miscarried the baby — the fetus was white, BTW — and later committed suicide. This led Gary to follow suit a couple of years after that. Another successful operation, eh?

   Held was also involved over the years in some really evil shit targeting AIM, the Puerto Rican independence movement, and of course the northern California wing of Earth First! The last one centered on the attempt to murder EF organizers Judi Bari and Darryl Cherney with a car bomb. When details started to come out about the bombing, and Held was named as a defendant in the resulting lawsuit, he suddenly took early retirement from the FBI and went to work for Visa.

   Got the picture?

   Okay, Richard W’s daddy was Richard G. Held, who was a COUNTELPRO pioneer, and ended up an FBI associate director under Clarence Kelley. Short of being named director, associate director is the loftiest position the FBI has to offer. So he certainly matches your description.

   Oh, BTW, just so you don’t think a case of a “son gone wrong,” you should know that Richard G. Held’s resume included overseeing the cover-up of the FBI’s role in the murders of Chicago Black Panther leader Fred Hampton (also Peoria Panther leader Mark Clark), and managing the frame-up of AIM leader Leonard Peltier. He was head of the FBI’s Internal Security Section when both of those went down.

   There’s a lot more to be said about both these guys, but this ought to be more than enough.

10. hilda Says:
    July 22nd, 2008 at 9:27 pm

    yeah - that sort of stuff is why I reacted to the family connection that I learned of (which I wouldn’t have guessed. My supervisor seems way more down to earth than average & has no displays of wealth, although they aren’t their father). Like, how could someone among the top levels fail to have participated in that type of stuff, except in this case I believe they never had any role as an agent and briefly held leadership position, then went into private industry. So I guess what I don’t understand is the extent to which illicit actions described in Cointelpro books resulted among regional divisions, or from meetings with the higher leadership. I could fathom how members of the public who don’t know the history could support the FBI catching credit card or real estate fraud mafia.
    Here is a great attorney who was on the Judi Bari trial. You say that this is what made Held quit : http://www.archive.org/details/jeremiahjonesbutisthisreallyterrorismpart2of4

11. hilda Says:
    July 22nd, 2008 at 10:27 pm

    also, what’s up with someone being on about a dozen corporate boards. Does each board only take a couple hours a month? And what’s up with being on both sides at once - both in legitimate environmental organizations, and the paper products, corn syrup, hazardous waste industry.

12. hilda Says:
    July 23rd, 2008 at 5:48 am

    …or more concretely, is there anyone on the boards of your local gold mining companies or plutonium disposal industry who also sit on the Environmental Defense Fund and World Wildlife Fund board of advisors? Is it strange that they are, or could there be a logical reason. Some people write about the phenomenon of ‘interlocking boards’ where corporations try to get the same elite If the WWF and EDF has no outward signs of being compromised or watered down by their gold-mining co-members, how would you ever discern what the contribution of individual participants was. Their meetings are private.

13. Rama Lama Fa-Fa-Fa Says:
    July 23rd, 2008 at 1:08 pm

    I’d try to answer your questions, Hilda, if only I had a clue what they are. Try and focus once in a while, okay? Maybe you’d even be able to understand what’s laid out rather clearly in those “cointelpto books” you mention.

    But, then again, maybe not.

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